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Mary Brock works as an Immunology scientist by day and takes care of a pink-loving princess child by night. She likes cloudy days, crafting, cooking, and Fall weather in New England.

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  1. January 18, 2017 at 5:31 pm —

    Honestly? I think most Trump voters just really hated the Clintons. I mean, this election was marked by the two greatest gaslighting operations in American political history: The Clinton campaign and the Trump campaign.

    My viewpoint is actually backed by Trump’s current approval ratings. Every president just before inauguration has a higher approval rating than his popular vote, by a margin of at least 10%. This is because every president in modern history has spent the transition assuring the opposition he’s not as bad as you think he is.

    Trump hasn’t done that. But more to the point, more people disapprove of Trump than voted for “not Trump”. So, not only is his approval under 50%, not only is his approval under the water, but his disapproval is above 50% in most polls; in fact, in some, it’s above 55%. People actually voted for Trump, already knowing they hated him.

    The DNC could learn something from this.

    • January 18, 2017 at 6:22 pm —

      It’s a mix of factors (obviously racism and hating Clinton are two big ones) but people like to choose a narrative because Trump winning is so terrible that people crave a simple explanation, especially one that can really focus their anger. Racism is a good candidate for that.

      I think the best evidence against racism as THE explanation is that Obama was elected twice in a row, by a wide margin, against white male republicans.

    • January 19, 2017 at 1:02 pm —

      I don’t think there is One True Reason for the election, but this all sounds a bit arglebargle to me.
      http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/4/14160956/trump-racism-sexism-economy-study

      There is plenty of reason to think racism and sexism played a substantial role. Also more Hillary/Trump equivocating. Don’t be a dumbass.

      • January 19, 2017 at 6:43 pm —

        You think “I saw the Clintons at Selma” isn’t gaslighting after previously saying “I first met Bill Clinton in 1991”? Or, from “working, hard-working Americans, white Americans” in 2008 to pretending to be some sort of civil rights icon in 2016? Or making a big deal about how as First Lady she pushed for a law that has recently been used to gut the Indian Child Welfare Act? Should that not disturb me?

        Look, the Hillary Clinton cult of personality now only serves to normalize Trump. I prefer not to normalize Trump.

        But you’re right. Trump and Clinton aren’t equivalent. Trump says not-nice things about Muslims. Clinton votes to bomb them. (But it wasn’t a vote to invade Iraq! Just because it says it was a vote to invade Iraq doesn’t mean it was a vote to invade Iraq.) Trump says not-nice things about Central Americans. Clinton backs right-wing regimes that assassinate them. (But we can’t ever talk about Berta Cáceres! Oh no, because Berta Cáceres wasn’t a real feminist because she was brown, or something.) Don’t be a dumbass.

      • January 19, 2017 at 7:01 pm —

        Also, this Vox? Yeah. You can find more examples of this. But hey, I guess Vox loves Trump! Or at least six of Trump’s appointees are from Goldman Sachs. (Gee, what happened to draining the swamp, guys? I guess you meant tap the swamp?)

        And here’s a real news source about what happened in Michigan.

        FWIW, the Clintons really didn’t want union support. That whole wing of the Democratic Party has certainly spent the past three decades making that clear.

        • January 20, 2017 at 5:09 pm —

          Yes. Totally. Clinton and Trump. Same thing. Absolutely convinced. How could I have doubted you.

          • January 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm

            Well, why did she vote to invade Iraq? If she really believed Iraq had WMD, then she is, by all rights, a moron; most people understood it was a lie back then. If she was doing it because it was popular (it wasn’t), then she’s a sociopath, since the Lancet estimates she sacrificed over 600,000 people for her own political ambition.

            Neither one is a good look.

            Look, I voted for Clinton. I took a shower immediately afterward, and I will do everything to ensure you don’t have the power to hand another four years to Trump.

          • January 21, 2017 at 12:28 am

            Oh well against the power of two paragraph nonsense rants in the comment section of skepchick I just don’t know what I’ll do next time when I’m trying to elect Trump.
            Please, not everything in your power!

          • January 21, 2017 at 12:38 am

            here do something useful to oppose trump: https://thesixtyfive.org/

          • January 21, 2017 at 5:38 pm

            So “Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war” is nonsense now. But that’s how it always was with the feminism of the 1980s: Shatter the glass ceiling, and don’t care who is still beneath you getting their jugular veins sliced by the shards.

            Just remember, Trump’s approval rating just prior to his inauguration, the apex of approval, was 40%. His disapproval was at 55%.

            But no, we must talk about this. I was willing to endure all manner of abuse from the Clinton campaign because I thought she could beat Trump. That ended on November 9.

  2. January 19, 2017 at 5:19 pm —

    If I hear one more false equivalency argument – Hillary is as bad as Trump – and the DNC screwed up and cost Bernie the election BS I am seriously going to lose it. Bernie Sanders lost! He didn’t lose because of a conspiracy; he lost because the democrats who voted picked Hillary overwhelmingly (3 million votes is nothing to sneeze at). ALSO Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump. Could you imgine the socialism dog whistling that would have happened?? Dylan J is right people like simple explainations and easy, uncomplicated thinking. Trump allowed people to do that. Sexism (women are privileged and shouldn’t have power), racism (Mexicans are stealing our jobs), and the short-sightedness of people who are scared of losing their homes pretty much got Trump elected. No one cares about free school or healthcare they want to prvide for their families with a roof over their head and food on the table now and don’t want to worry about anything else.

    • January 20, 2017 at 5:28 pm —

      “If I hear one more false equivalency argument – Hillary is as bad as Trump – and the DNC screwed up and cost Bernie the election BS I am seriously going to lose it.” It’s not about Bernie. Any Democrat could’ve won the election, except Hillary.

      “He didn’t lose because of a conspiracy; he lost because the democrats who voted picked Hillary overwhelmingly (3 million votes is nothing to sneeze at).” Except don’t count the states where he won because reasons. Yeah, we know.

      “ALSO Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump. Could you imgine the socialism dog whistling that would have happened??” Whatever you need to tell yourself. (It’s not like they didn’t call Obama a socialist constantly or anything.) Clearly, Hillary Clinton couldn’t defeat Donald Trump.

      “Dylan J is right people like simple explainations and easy, uncomplicated thinking. Trump allowed people to do that. Sexism (women are privileged and shouldn’t have power), racism (Mexicans are stealing our jobs), and the short-sightedness of people who are scared of losing their homes pretty much got Trump elected.”

      You owe me an irony meter.

      You know what I see when I look at Clintonistas? I see an atheist in a fedora on Reddit. Only instead of “it’ll all be good when we get rid of organized religion”, it’s “it’ll all be good when we put a woman in the Oval Office”.

      In my case, a group called Bros4Hillary sent some child porn to a Facebook group I was on. It was funded by David Brock. David Brock, you may remember, also wrote a book about what a whore Anita Hill was. He’s a scumbag, no matter which party he associates with. He might even be a bigger scumbag than Trump.

      And that is why I hate the Clintons. They bring the Democratic Party down with them. (But then again, the Clintons turned human trafficking and sweatshop labor into something virtuous, telling those of us on the real Left we were racists for opposing slavery, so…) Hell, John Lewis recently told a lie about how he had never boycotted an inauguration before, but he (and much of the Congressional Black Caucus) boycotted Bush. (And there was a far better “illegitimate” argument wrt: Bush. All Trump had was conspiracy k00ks, a couple Russian hackers targeting the DNC, and the easiest opponent in history.)

      We’re not looking for Trump voters, though. We’re looking for people who stayed home.

  3. January 21, 2017 at 11:08 pm —

    The fact that you see women who supported Clinton so shallowly is exactly part of your problem. It’s like saying black People only supported Obama because he’s black. We’re not/ we’re not naive about this. Neither were black people who voted for Obama. Many of us recognized that Clinton’s win could have created more sexism. Backlashes by the privileged is often big and loud. Hence Trumps support.

    There are likely to be future analysts why your anti-Clinton conspiracy is wrong. Again Sanders would have lost without some so called interference (you seem to think people who didn’t vote for Bernie were sheeps who just following a narrative that you didn’t like). Fact is he wouldn’t have won. He just didn’t have enough support. Plus he could have been working so long inside the DNC for years to actually change it. Organizations don’t change overnight. They are behemoths that need course corrections over time.

    Anyway more analysis from people who know more than me.

    https://madeinamericathebook.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/explaining-trump/

    http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

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