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Ladies! Be a Sheep for Jesus

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Rebecca Watson

Rebecca leads a team of skeptical female activists at Skepchick.org. She travels around the world delivering entertaining talks on science, atheism, feminism, and skepticism. There is currently an asteroid orbiting the sun with her name on it. You can follow her every fascinating move on Twitter or on Google+.

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  1. I had a mountain top experience once. I don’t recommend it, as it involved food poisoning and a hell of a trek down goat paths to the nearest road where an ambulance could pick me up.

    Come to think of it there was another one I could recommend, that one involving a car in a blizzard and fogged up windows, but I don’t think jesus would approve.

    O, I almost forgot…. BAAAAAA

  2. Where did you find this?

    I think we’re allowed to automatically dismiss any videos that have that terrible faux-wood panelling in the background. Gag.

    It disrupts my ability to concentrate on whatever is being said.

  3. @Skimon: That’s probably because the video was cut to accentuate the crazy. I’m sure in the original cut she explains, at length, backed by specific scriptural references, why God wants the ladies to be sheep.

    I’m even willing to bet that she says that since Jesus isn’t here personally to be the shepherd, you should assume anything your husband (or father, if your not married, or pastor in a pinch) says should be treated as God’s will and to treat him like your own personal good shepherd.

    I bet that would make for some kinky roleplay though.

  4. I guess I am not see the point of the video. To amuse us by demeaning someone else by taking her words out of context and accentuating what we consider amusing/horrific? I don’t suppose it was intended to make any xtians see the skeptical light. It feels like it was created to make us feel superior to anyone who believes.

    I know I am making a mountain out of a molehill, but is this an “othering” video that doesn’t really help spread the idea of critical thinking? To me it only creates a stronger sense of separatism. And there is already so much to overcome, why do we make it harder?

  5. I’m with weirdbuglady. Looking at the still before I clicked on ‘Play’, I thought it was a new (or even old) SNL skit. Then I noticed some signs that it was real.

    The lack of emotion when talking about an emotional topic, her assumption that only women were viewing, the piss-poor lighting and production, and the ‘insightful’ comment about the ‘real dreamteam’. The most obvious was the ‘be a sheep for jeebus’ circle-jerk, though. It reminded me of the conditioning I had to watch and endure growing up.

    You say, BAAAAAAA

    I say, blah.

  6. @Rebecca Watson:
    Its not made for atheist, it simple sophmoric humor and I did laugh.
    When you posted it here – you changed that context. That’s all I was saying.
    You’re probably right that I am making a mountain out of a molehill. There are far more egregious examples of “othering” in the skeptical movement and I know it.

    I do hurt the larger issue of separatism by using a minor and not intentionally harmful example. I apologize.

  7. I wondered when I’d get an appropriate opportunity to use this, but it seems that it’s here:

    You know I never really noticed that before, the Bible is pretty much an informercial for sheep herding.”
    Bible college is where you learn to shear them.

    A shepherd cares for their sheep, but fundamentally there’s an asymmetry in the relationship. The sheep are taken care of, but they’re also shorn and eaten, all for the benefit of the shepherd. A shepherd may sympathize with his sheep, but he never once forgets who’s in charge, and he certainly never considers letting the sheep decide what they want.

  8. Has anyone else ever watched a real shepherd in action? If a sheep goes astray, the crook is used to grab it by the neck and throw it bodily back into the herd. There’s not a lot that’s gentile about the profession. I’m willing to bet that the authors of the bible knew that too. We urban folk think it’s all nice and easy work, but there’s a lot of physical force used to keep a sheep in line.

  9. Hahaha . . . blind sheep-like followers … Christians … get it?
    hmmmmmmmm…..

    OK, that lady is a little goofy for me. If any of you skeptics have some intellectual curiosity about “why sheep?”, I just happen to have learned about the history of the shepherd/sheep thing this past year.

    You have to put yourself a bit in a 2,000 year old mindset. Israel at the time of Christ was a primarily pastoral rather than agricultural country. So for Jesus to use the metaphor of a shepherd and his sheep is something that would deeply resonate with the people with whom he was speaking.

    The shepherd’s life at that time was difficult and even dangerous. Sheep would wander onto steep and dangerous precipices, would be the prey of wild animals, and were at risk of being taken by robbers. A shepherd was always on watch, hard-working, protective, leading the sheep to safe places, caring for his sheep almost as a father for his child. This is some of the imagery that would come up for the Israelites.

    Jesus described himself as “the good shepherd,” who knows each sheep by name and cares for them, who helps the sheep over the dangerous places, who lays down his life for the sheep.

    I could say so much more about this, but my main point is that, as others have pointed out, the talk was cut for humorous purposes out of any context whatsoever . . . I can only surmise that the goofy lady’s point was that it is smart to follow the Good Shepherd.
    She was obviously having a little fun with it as well.

    If anyone’s feeling upset at being compared to a sheep, remember that another (to me rich and beautiful) metaphor is that of Jesus as “the lamb of God” (John 1:36).

  10. “who helps the sheep over the dangerous places, who lays down his life for the sheep. ”

    Only metaphorically speaking. The Shepherd is no good to the sheep if he’s dead.
    (I know, I know, to you believers Jesus isn’t dead either, rose on the 3rd day, yada yada yada).

    The bone I’m picking is that a real shepherd still cares about self-preservation. He protects his sheep because they’re his property, his livelihood. He’s willing to risk his life because if he looses his flock he would be destitute and could starve to death…as would many preachers if their “flocks” wandered off; then they’d have to get off their duffs and get a real job like the rest of us.

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