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Oh, Meteorite, Strike Me Down!

I like meteorites. I want one to strike my apartment, just as this house in New Jersey was struck by a meteorite.

So, come on meteorites. Why aren’t you crashing through my apartment here in Somerville? I live on the top floor of the building, so you can land very nicely, right in my room or possibly my bathroom. Don’t land in the kitchen… that might disturb my housemates.

God, if you exist, why don’t you strike me down with a meteorite? I’m a heathen atheist, and I try to turn my friends against you with my heathen writing and speech. Don’t you think my apartment deserves some damage from a meteorite?

Evelyn

Evelyn is a geologist, writer, traveler, and skeptic residing in Cape Town, South Africa with frequent trips back to the US for work. She has two adorable cats; enjoys hiking, rock climbing, and kayaking; and has a very large rock collection. You can follow her on twitter @GeoEvelyn. She also writes a geology blog called Georneys.

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  1. Don't those usually end up somewhere embedded in the floor of the basement, after crashing through several floors (and obstructing furniture) as if they were made of paper.

    Especially American homes, which are already made of paper :P

  2. Hey you lied to us Mikal, you are such an untrustworthy nuissance.

    O well, welcome back my entertaining, credulous, easily angered, non-reasoning, true-believeing, wastes his life trying to guess shapes on a card, wishes he could get under peoples skin, strange strange little old man.

  3. I have vivid memories of seeing the great meteor crater in Arizona as a child, watching it get bigger… and Bigger… and even BIGGER as we drove towards it.

    Here's hoping you get lucky, Evelyn. It really would be something to hold a piece of another world in one's hands, still warm from falling through the clouds out of the great black… Yeah. :)

  4. God ain't got game! He couldn't hit the broad side of a heretic!

    I remember hearing about a few churches nationwide proclaiming hurricane Katrina was God's way of punishing New Orleans' sinfulness. But Bourbon Street – the epicenter of debauchery here in NO – was high and dry. It was the faithful church-goers who were killed or displaced by the flooding. Okay, a lot of crack houses were distroyed, too. And God missed me completely! What a wuss. Don't hold your breath, Miss Evelyn.

  5. I personally believe God gets the last laugh here

    I mean think of it,he already answered your prayers,

    all of you.Each of us in life will be greeted with death,

    and it won't take a meteor,for god to prove this point…

    However If your job on life is to mock and abuse

    your opinion,of those people that do have faith.

    .

    In your end my friend,I prey you reap what you sow

    but for some reason a vast majority of people believe

    serving God is worth it..So who are we to judge??

    Devils' Advocate:

    You don't need a meteor of faith to beckon death

    along with choice,you do have quicker way-out??

    If you really wont it,but I think you're bluffing

    just needing another excuse to flame a god people

    love and respect.. Does this make you feel Big?

    you are very transparent,do you think this is funny?

    I personally think you're an ass and I'm not

    even Christian..Just brought-up to respect

    what people respect.Take care M.Dmon

  6. >>I can just imagine her, standing there, arms crossed, tapping her foot, >>impatient voice saying: “Get on with it!” …

    I wonder how many times God has been heard uttering these words

    “Michael, Gabriel, for the love of me, do I have to do every thing my self?”

  7. Actually, Mikal, my job is to do volcanology/geochemistry research. I make fun of God in my free time. As for being respectful of people's religious beliefs, I am, to a point. I have many friends who are religious, and I find that they usually respect my views as an atheist the same way in which I respect their views as Christians/Jews/Hindus, et cetera. We don't try to convert each other, aside from casual joking over dinner and such. I go to religious events which are important for my friends and family. Confirmations, baptisms, religious weddings, et cetera. Personally, I don't see the need to believe in a divine power, but I appreciate that religion is very important, culturally and emotionally, to a large number of people. I wouldn't burst into a church service exclaiming, "Guess what? God isn't real!"

    However, this is a skepchick blog, in case you didn't notice. A very appropriate place to express my views on atheism. And guess what? Many of my religious friends make fun of God and Jesus, too! My friends still believe, but these religious figures are not immune from their sense of humor.

    Anyway, that was probably more than I need to (or should) say in response, but there it is.

  8. I did the double-dog-dare God to do something bad to me thing too. I suspect it is a natural step once you no longer believe. No doubt the God of pure love and infinite compassion is just letting me have my fun now so He can send me to suffer in hell forever. Last laugh indeed.

  9. Are you saying you wouldn't be amazed if a meteorite struck your house? …Well, fine. We'll keep them all >:D What's life for if you can't imagine the occasional vengeful deity lugging space debris at your bath tub now and then?

    *hands out anti-meteorite umbrellas, all around*

  10. "However If your job on life is to mock and abuse

    your opinion,of those people that do have faith."

    How can you abuse your own opinion?

    If our opinion is so damageing and mocking to your faith to the point of driving you to anger (and lieing… you did say you were leaving) then go away. Our opinion shouldnt matter to you. I mean facts and reality don't mean anything to you, so why is there such a bug in your bonnet about our opinions? (even if our opinions are fact based compared to your woo-woo.)

  11. Why doesn’t Mikal respect what we respect?

    Aye, there's the rub :p There's a whole list of beliefs I hold, and I fancy many others here share, that were disrespected:

    * Any person has a right to state her opinion in any manner she chooses, when doing so doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights

    * More specifically, your own blog should be considered your property, in the sense that stating your opinions there cannot infringe on anyone else's rights

    * Conformity for its own sake is without value

    * Humor for its own sake is of tremendous value

    * The only measure by which an idea should gain respect is the idea itself: Can it be shown to be true? Is it useful? Is it constructive? Some of these traits are deserving of more respect than others :p

    * Personal attacks based on simply disagreeing with someone are both cruel and unnecessary

    But, then, responding to a joke made at religion's expense with a heavy dollop of hypocrisy is pretty funny in itself :p If that was your intent: well played, sir!

  12. Miller I wasn't talking to you and I actually also respect peoples

    beliefs however skeptical isn't a religion it's chit chat without

    the aid of a bias view.

    I have no quarrel with opinions however as you know

    the only good coming out of this thread is another chance

    to say Somebodies else's God doesn't exist.Until skeptics

    understand they're no at liberty or have the liberty to be that

    spiteful,I have a very good reason to be here.

    Dear Evelyn

    I appreciate your response and do respect where

    I am posting to,however I only mean to further the

    line of thinking,I'm not out to say you can't believe this

    I reiterate,there are much quicker ways to meet

    your objective with real-time results than plotting meteor

    course..

    Good luck with you journey

    Take care M.Dmon

  13. "Miller I wasn’t talking to you"

    Open forum buddy. Anything said is up for grabs. Gonna have to grin and bear it… or simply ignore me. Thats always a possibility.

    "and I actually also respect peoples

    beliefs however skeptical isn’t a religion it’s chit chat without

    the aid of a bias view."

    I agree, skeptical view is deffiniatly not a religion. I don't think we've ever claimed it to be… has anyone? (though I should point out that previously you claimed that no one could not have a religion)

    And if by biased view you mean based on objective facts then I guess we'd be biased. Though that is the wrong deffinition of biased. Infact I'd like to know in what way we are biased.

    "I have no quarrel with opinions however as you know

    the only good coming out of this thread is another chance

    to say Somebodies else’s God doesn’t exist."

    Of course you have quarrel. As we do with your own. It's the reason there is conversation, discourse and argument. But yes I will say over and over again that no gods have yet been proven to exist. You can't really be angry for the spreading of fact. However before you pushed it off topic the subject was just how cool meteorites are.

    "Until skeptics understand they’re no at liberty or have the liberty to be that

    spiteful,I have a very good reason to be here."

    I have the liberty to be as spitefull as I wish. Especialy when religion pushes itself forth as being factual when it is not. There is NO evidence to back the ideas which you hold. None. If you have some, we'd love to hear it. If it is compelling it may even convince us otherwise. WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO NEW EVIDENCE, but don't get angry when we use evidence to show you are wrong.

    I think that is the main difference between our two areas of thought. We are open to change with proper evidence, you couldn't care less because you want evidence to prove what you already believe.

  14. January 9, 2007 at 12:23 pm, Mikal Dmon wrote:

    "Miller I wasn’t talking to you and I actually also respect peoples

    beliefs however skeptical isn’t a religion it’s chit chat without

    the aid of a bias view."

    Aid? How about "presence"? Or at least "striving for the prevention of bias".

    And no, skepticism is not a relegion, and neither is atheism by the way. So is that why you are allowed to make fun of us and we are not allowed to make fun of you? Religion gets special protection, everything else is "just chit chat"?

    Well, here's me not giving a damn about what kind of rules you want to impose on us. Especially if you're not going to follow them yourself.

  15. You all are crazy people continuing

    to make every thread about me

    Fact is,no matter what I post,this crew will

    always find reason to objects to the only

    rational reasoning here..

    Truth is I have no quarrel with the statement,

    (enjoy your opinion)it's the useless bitching about it,

    that irritates me the most.Especially there are much

    quicker ways.

    I still insist atheist as a religion

    In fact, if you ask an atheist what's you're religion?

    They will say "I'm atheist";I believe in nothing..

    So there!

    However,skepticisms isn't a religion and an

    earlier a post mentioned. "why can I not respect your belief"

    my responses was; skepticism isn't a belief and the audience

    seem to agrees..

    Moving on

    "Any person has a right to state her opinion in any manner

    she chooses, when doing so doesn't’t infringe on anyone else’s

    rights"

    right back at the focal of my argument.

    Just because you're skeptic,doesn't mean you're godless

    and to the generally sane populous who feel proud,intelligent,

    and confidant about their right to believe in their God,skeptics

    like this group,needs to respect and acknowledge a person's right

    to make decisions despite your genus

    this choice/commitment are from also wives,husbands,teachers,

    neighbors,policemen etc.Maybe you may hate God,what about

    the mother who.decided to let you live,vs abortion?Does her beliefs

    effect you?

    What about her parents?

    No one is wrong for choosing God

    and there's more to heaven and hell than

    dreampt in your philosophy

    As for your prof,we all will have this opportunity

    try some instead of being pissed that you can't conjure God

    Patients,,or actually try no patients??

    Take care M.Dmon

  16. PS Just so I'm clear here,not only do I consider Atheist

    a religion,in the book of revelations;the Anti-Christ is

    someone who opposes religion,"lawless" this person is

    also an anthiest…

    Just so you know,not only do you have a religion

    it would seem you also serve a Master

    Food for thought

    Take care my friends M.Dmon

  17. "You all are crazy people continuing

    to make every thread about me"

    1. You happen to always go off on rants about how we are wrong. We reply, do not think us crazy because we wont let your errors go unawnsered. Remember where you are. I also have offered to take any discussion you want to have off the board. Though you do seem to have a creepy atachment to needing a direct response from the poster.

    "Fact is,no matter what I post,this crew will

    always find reason to objects to the only

    rational reasoning here.."

    2. How are you in any way rational. You beleive in an invisible man that can never be proven. That is in no way rational. Please justify why faith (which by definition is not rational) is more rational than skepticism?

    "Truth is I have no quarrel with the statement,

    (enjoy your opinion)it’s the useless bitching about it,

    that irritates me the most.Especially there are much

    quicker ways."

    3. Then do not read it. You have that option we force nothing on you.

    "I still insist atheist as a religion

    In fact, if you ask an atheist what’s you’re religion?

    They will say “I’m atheist”;I believe in nothing..

    So there!"

    4. Oh yeah?! Nice argument man. Look, we have to call ourselves athiests (i would rather not have to identify myself that way) because you faithaholics will not accept any other awnser. If we say we don't beleive (not I beleive in nothing but I DONT beleive, DO-NOT) you label us as athiest. We then wear that proudly because we wish to be held apart from your untesteable, and anti-rational beliefs.

    "However,skepticisms isn’t a religion and an

    earlier a post mentioned. “why can I not respect your belief”

    my responses was; skepticism isn’t a belief and the audience

    seem to agrees.."

    5. My personal belief is that you shouldn't respect any beleif you disagree with. I have yet to find a common idea that I respect comming from you. I do respect your right to have such a belieft but I will never respect someone who thinks that the bible is the perfect word of god.

    "Just because you’re skeptic,doesn’t mean you’re godless

    and to the generally sane populous who feel proud,intelligent,

    and confidant about their right to believe in their God,skeptics

    like this group,needs to respect and acknowledge a person’s right

    to make decisions despite your genus"

    6. Again, yes I respect the right. I do not respect the idiocy of magic spells in the form of prayer. And an invisible man who throws temper tantrums in which he turn women to salt for turning around. But to say we are insane (by calling the rest of society sane) is simply a stupid statement. I have to ask you to retract, apologize or back it up with some sort of evidence.

    "Maybe you may hate God"

    7. I can't hate what does not exist.

    "what about the mother who.decided to let you live,vs abortion?Does her beliefs effect you?"

    8. First off I beleive most figures show that the majority of abortions are performed on christians. (Which wouldnt surprise me as 75% of america identifies itself as different forms of christianity.) Secondly, no that belief does not effect me. Not at all. It is a personal choice to have an abortion.

    "No one is wrong for choosing God"

    9. Not in the legal sense but in the sense of what is reality. Yes they are VERY wrong.

    "As for your prof,we all will have this opportunity

    try some instead of being pissed that you can’t conjure God"

    10. Prof? do you mean proof? Try some what? You are slipping back into your chicken scratch.

    "Patients,,or actually try no patients??"

    11. I can't understand you here. Not your beleifs but what you are actualy writing. You need to get your translator to come back. I know you had one for a while becuase you went from slaming your fist randomly on the keyboard to near compitent grammer.

  18. You all are crazy people continuing to make

    every thread about me

    1. "You happen to always go off on rants about how we are wrong"

    I know you had one for a while because you went from slaming your

    fist randomly on the keyboard to near compitent grammer.

    The list goes on and on Miller,"I guess you

    can be as nasty as you like"wonder why I get

    moderated,and you don't?

    1)My rants aren't how to get it wrong,

    they suggest how to get it right…

    2)" How are you in any way rational"

    Because I'm the only person here to admit I don't

    know it all

    3)"Please justify why faith is more rational than

    skepticism"The one that say to honor your mother

    and father.Say your pryers and eat your vitamins,no

    wait,that's not it..

    I guess Miller,one that's built on values and structures

    that bring about a healthy society we've experienced

    over the last few hundred years..

    Definitely not one dedicated to popular opinion and

    chat groups.my opinion..

    Speaking of retractions"because you faithaholics"

    This is a false accusation of me,and you have spoken in error

    " but I will never respect someone who thinks that the bible

    is the perfect word of god."

    That's exactly what I'm talking about this sort of hate speech

    I'm hearing is tasteless and vile.I'm neither fateful or Christian

    yet I find these remarks speak for themselves..No respect!

    I;m done with you Miller,you're just not my level

    Take care M.Dmon

  19. "I still insist atheist as a religion

    In fact, if you ask an atheist what’s you’re religion?

    They will say “I’m atheist”;I believe in nothing..

    So there!"

    Actually I say "I am not religious" when asked that question. I sometimes follow that up with I am an atheist because it clarifies I am not an agnostic (for example). Atheism is related to religion, it is about religion but it is not a religion in and of itself it is just a description of people without religion.

  20. Religion

    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

    It would seem I'm only honest with my opinion

    Atheist would be considered a set of beliefs(beliefs in nothing)

    shared by the group(like this one)or did you think you needed

    a bible to make it ligament

    and 9 out of 10 will admit this is their beliefs.religion

    but you have to ask the ones not expecting the question

    Take care M.Dmon

    PS Respect for all mankind regardless of beliefs

    sounds rational

  21. January 9, 2007 at 9:46 pm, Mikal Dmon wrote:

    "PS Just so I’m clear here,not only do I consider Atheist

    a religion,in the book of revelations;the Anti-Christ is

    someone who opposes religion,”lawless” this person is

    also an anthiest…"

    This is just plain wrong no matter how you look at it.

    While we don't believe in the anti-christ any more than we believe in god, you can bet you ass that the anti-christ believes in god. After all, he fought him trying to overtake heaven, only to fail and be banished.

    The fact he doesn't like god doesn't mean he doesn't acknowledge his existance.

    As atheists, we don't oppose religion for the same reason that the anti-christ does. We oppose it for the detrimental effect it has on peoples ability to think for themselves.

    The anti-christ (who we don't believe exists anyway) opposes it because it gives his enemy strength and his enemy's followers coherence.

    January 9, 2007 at 10:28 pm, Mikal Dmon wrote:

    "I guess Miller,one that’s built on values and structures

    that bring about a healthy society we’ve experienced

    over the last few hundred years.."

    Do you call the world we live in today healthy?

    How about the fact that the US and Europe have experienced a relative period of health the last century (apparently ignoring two major world wars for a brief moment) because governments decided to clearly separate religion and government?

    The current wars in the middle east are a perfect example of what happens when you start blurring that line again:

    A president who's going to war because "he feels like it" or "god told him to".

    Call it whatever you like, but reasonability is not one of the traits of religion, and the current high living standards and level of peaceful coexistence we enjoy today are a direct result of the advancements of science and reason and the fact that religion has been moved to the back seat.

    January 10, 2007 at 6:29 am, Mikal Dmon wrote:

    "Atheist would be considered a set of beliefs(beliefs in nothing) …"

    No, there you go again. It is not belief in nothing, it is simply "not believing". Can you understand the difference between not having any beliefs, or having beliefs but the thing you believe in being nothing (how do you do that anyway)?

    In my opinion, it's all the religious people who believe in nothing, because it seems more plausible that whatever it is they believe in doesn't exist.

  22. Mikal:

    If you don't learn to wrap your mind around the concept that a lack of belief is NOT 'belief in nothing,' then you should seriously just stop talking about it because CLEARLY we're getting nowhere and only wasting one another's time. Belief in nothing is called 'nihilism,' not atheism. I don't expect you to change your mind, but neither do I think you should continue to press your 'honest opinion' when clearly it holds no validity and has not been colored by a single thing that anyone has told you.

    Someone once said 'atheism is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.' That person was a lot more perceptive than you are.

    Your '9 out of 10' statistic is laughable. Based on what information? Personal experience and anecdotal evidence count for nothing. Have you performed a study on a large enough sample size of atheists from a wide enough variety of backgrounds to generate a fair picture of how they would describe their atheism? What measures of precision or statistical significance have you used? None? Oh, dear, then perhaps you shouldn't comment on statistics!

    Would you respect a person who believes that it is right to kill a child every full moon? Would you respect a person who believes that it's right to rob from you or your family for no apparent reason? No. So don't feed us this 'respect for all mankind' stuff. It's so clearly a straw man and a worthless argument. It is perfectly reasonable to respect the person and not the belief, and it is also reasonable to respect neither if neither deserves it.

    I don't expect a single word I've spoken to penetrate your brain, Mikal, nor do I think I'll ever bother attempting to get through to you again. Of course, as a psychic, you SHOULD be able to intuit these things…or maybe not. All I know is that I think we're all cranky from having to bang our heads against the wall over and over again attempting to tell you that what you say here IS NOT NOVEL, nor at ALL challenging to the tenets of skepticism or rationality.

    Hell, I don't believe in gods or woo-woo, but I could do a better job defending it than you could, if I so desired. Unfortunately, to do so would involve IGNORING facts and persuasive evidence, which is not an intellectually honest position from which to argue.

    Sorry to ramble on here, but as this is the last time I will attempt to explain any of this to Mikal, I just wanted to get as much as I could off of my chest. I doubt that he'll change his tune anytime soon, just as I doubt he'll even bother to listen to me.

    I think it'd be constructive if we all just refused to respond to his comments if they're just going to be the same thing over and over. If he brings something new to the table, then I'm all for discussion. Until then, I'm not wasting my time, and I don't think the rest of us should either. But that's just me being honest with my opinion :-P

  23. >>I still insist atheist as a religion

    >>In fact, if you ask an atheist what’s you’re religion?

    >>They will say “I’m atheist”;I believe in nothing..

    >>So there!

    So… Lets put this another way. So I’m sitting at a bar and I order a Bloody Mary and the bartender asks what kind of vodka I want in it. I answer make it a virgin. And he goes ha its still an alcoholic drink, see cause I said what kind of alcohol and you said virgin. See, see?

    Yeah it still doesn’t make sense to me either.

  24. How about this (so as to stay with Expatria's quoted example of collecting stamps):

    Someone asks: what's your hobby?

    You respond: I'm a paraplegic, I can't move, I have no hobbies.

    Person responds: well, being a paraplegic is a hobby, because you just gave that in response to the question "what is your hobby".

    See how this does NOT make sense?

  25. If what I said waas "hate speach" then me saying that anyone who worships thor is an idiot would be hate speach as well now wouldn't it.

    It's funny how when someone doesnt have a logical counter they take some hidden moral high ground.

  26. Hello Exlax,I can't believe you have the audacity to even speak to me after your past treatments of me.Let me remind you why you should stay out of

    grown peoples' conversation!

    "Belief in nothing is called ‘nihilism, not atheism"

    because you're so smart exlax please click on this

    link for your free education courtesy of M.Dmon
    http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/nihilism

    I'm sure you figured it out now,you are 99.9% wrong.

    but I don't care for explanation I would expect regret for

    interupting..Movong on..

    "you can bet you ass that the anti-Christ believes in god.

    After all, he fought him trying to overtake heaven, only

    to fail and be banished.The fact he doesn't like god doesn’t

    mean he doesn’t acknowledge his existance."

    Are you ready for this,you may need to sit down a sec,

    Again,you are 99.9% wrong but here I can help..

    The problem is you open mouth insert foot because you're not

    educated enough to make the statement you made about religion..

    Being lawless yourself,You take what you think and build a philosophy

    when your initial findings aren't research and approved.

    Biblical the Anti-Christ happens in revelations,because it's the

    end of the world times,or second coming of Christ.Satan or the

    Serpent in some cases is not the Anti-Christ but a lawless person

    who urges society to walk away from religion.He is said to be

    marked with a sigh of the beast, Book of Paul,John,and Revelations

    it's said that the term lawless is implied to Atheist.,and so He will lead

    the Atheist blindly,and you will gladly follow..

    So it is written..

    Stop embarrassing yourself.it's a shame you can make such

    utter nonsense almost believable,yet certainly not the truth..

    I did spare the thrashing my friend Next time please know

    what your talking about before hand it may help..

    Take care M.Dmon

  27. One more thing,I hope the Blogs award committee

    enjoys watching how you guys beat-up,single -out and

    abuse those who logical,intelligently and correct disagrees

    In fact since we're at it also explain how

    I get moderated yet everyone else gets nasty

    But more importantly please answer this

    very important question from the village "idiot"

    where is it written,that every skeptic must be godless?

    Simple question,but watch me get labeled as a bastard,etc..

    If there is no such tenant,(I'm positive there's not)

    Than perhaps the language,contents,opinion and especially

    audience has been truly un-kind to other skeptics who have

    come here to learn,and share ideas respectfully..

    Not greeted by a witch-hunt..

    bringing the truth to light..

    Take care M.Dmon

  28. Actualy the anti-christ only apears in John 1 and 2 and means instead of christ. A mythical diety that aposes god would not be one that does not beleive in his own opposition.

    Replaceing the dumb watt bulb in your light.

    Take care. Noah R. Miller

  29. I never said I'd shut up. I'm a jackass, I'm not capapble of tact, or silence.

    The antichrist mentioned in the books beside john is in refrence to any person who denies jesus. In that way I am an anti-christ. But when speaking about the prophecy of an actual souless being (of which im sure it's clear I do not subscribe to) only John talks about such a being.

    "where is it written,that every skeptic must be godless?"

    Nowhere. But the logical conclusion to skepticism applied to the bible is that it is bunk. But I am sure you would not accept any information to the contrary.

    I ask you right now. IF YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS SHOW THEM. OTHERWISE SHUT UP. Is that not reasonable?

  30. "But the logical conclusion to skepticism applied to

    the bible is that it is bunk"

    Dear Mr.Arrogant

    who determines this,you or me?

    My evidence is clear,that some skeptic decide for themselves

    what's bunk,and since theres no doctrine specifying one must

    be godless to join,I believe you and the Get Along-gang,are

    way out-of line,when it comes to infringing on peoples beliefs..

    Did you follow me well?

    "The Antichrist mentioned in the books beside john

    is in refrence to any person who denies jesus"

    Right thats definitely an atheist,sounds familiar?

    be proud of your peeps,they are written in the bible

    of days to come,lead by a man who will wage war against

    Jesus

    I hope if that day does come you remember

    a skeptic is not an atheist..

    You did say,you'll stop talking to me,and I you.

    Let's see who keeps their words,and I would also

    appreciate you just keeping my name out your mouth

    I will no longer entertain you

    Take care M.Dmon

  31. "But when speaking about the prophecy of an actual

    souless being (of which im sure it’s clear I do not subscribe to)

    only John talks about such a being."

    Paul tells us that the Man of Sin will "oppose and exalt himself above ALL that is called God or that is worshiped" (v. 4). This would include not only the one true God, but all other "gods and lords" (cf. 1 Cor. 8:5) as well. These "gods and lords" are the gods (Heb. 'elohim) of the nations (Deu. 6:14; 31:16; Jdg. 2:11-13; II Kings 18:33-35; Zep. 2:11), the ruling angels of the heavenly divine council.

    The most elaborate description of the Antichrist figure is found in the Book of Revelation. Combining references to Old Testament prophecy in Daniel 7 with contemporary references to the Roman Empire, and especially the imperial cult so prevalent in several of the cities to which he writes, John the seer envisions nothing less than the Roman Empire itself as the demonic manifestation of opposition to God and God's people. The sea beast (see Rev. 11:7; 13:1-10; 16:12-16; 17; 19:20, 21)

    School starts tomorrow

    Goodnight M.Dmon

  32. "Dear Mr.Arrogant who determines this,you or me?"

    Neither. Scientific study.

    "My evidence is clear"

    No, it's not. You've provided none.

    ",that some skeptic decide for themselves

    what’s bunk,and since theres no doctrine specifying one must

    be godless to join,I believe you and the Get Along-gang,are

    way out-of line,when it comes to infringing on peoples beliefs.."

    Where have we said you cannot beleive. You can. But as I'm sure you know, there is no proof to ANY claim in the bible. No one has walked on water, no one has risen from the dead after 3 days, no one has spontanously cured their lepresy. No one has been turned to stone or salt.

    How is pointing out reality infringeing on anyones right?

    'Right thats definitely an atheist,sounds familiar?"

    I did say that I fit that bill. If it helps, by the deffinition given in some of the books of the bible but contradicted by others I AM AN ANTI-CHRIST.

    "be proud of your peeps,they are written in the bible

    of days to come,lead by a man who will wage war against

    Jesus"

    Straight outta compton!

    "I hope if that day does come you remember

    a skeptic is not an atheist.."

    Most are, but there are a few agnostics and a small percentage that may prescribe to some religion or other. Some may be Diests as well. By this though are you trying to say that YOU are a skeptic? If so I'm going to laugh until I shit myself.

    "and I would also appreciate you just keeping my name out your mouth

    I will no longer entertain you"

    Keep my name out of your mouth? Someone's gone gangster!

    But really. Anything you say entertains me.

  33. M, bubby, you realise your last post does say that the entire book of revelations (as most who study the historical context agree) is a veild description of the roman persecution of christians.

    That it is not actualy a mystical book pertaining to god and prophecy?

    To qoute someone I dearly admire "you're pissin on your own toes."

  34. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and my reference is flexible

    I accomplished a far-sighted venue for insight,out of respect

    to where I am posting

    The articles offers more than johns

    accounts of the Antichrist,which contradicts

    something you suggested

    Rev,Peter,Paul and john have references to what you

    say didn't exist,thus proving you wrong,without bible

    verses on this board but with an article by your own peeps.

    Goodnight .

  35. So, OK, maybe "the anti-christ" is not specifically Satan or Beëlzebub or Lucifer or what have you. But the point I made hasn't been refuted. If THE one and only anti-christ is supposed to lead the war against god, then he must believe in god, otherwise he's fighting against something he doesn't believe exists. Now who does that? (Apart from president Dubya, who faught against WMD that didn't exist, although he did believe they existed, or so he claims).

    Let me ask you clearly one more time:

    How can you fight against something that you don't believe exists?

    As for "nihilism", I didn't make that comment. Of course, whenever you're calling people names, it's kinda difficult to figure out who exactly you're talking to, Expatria or me.

  36. As for skeptics being atheists, I would say a majority are either atheist (not believing), agnostic ("we don't know" so we believe both to be true (or untrue) until proven otherwise) or deist (there is a god, but he only created the universe and has disappeared since). Only a small group are christian (or "spiritual not religious"), but they are mostly of the liberal persuasion (meaning they think the bible is a book of fiction, not fact).

    Most skeptics also gradually migrate from believer to deist to agnostic to atheist as time passes. Because you simply can't be a skeptic in every aspect of your life (shedding unfounded beliefs) without that having some influence on your unfounded religious beliefs. (And they are unfounded simply because they have no foundation in facts or evidence).

  37. Hello exarch

    There are many ways to attack Christianity without believing

    in God.In fact I have accused this Board for doing just that,and

    it's obvious this group doesn't lov the baby jesus.

    .

    I am not Christian,for probably the same reasons as you

    yet my post complaints and rants aren't tied into flaming

    someone else's God…

    If I don't believe in its existence,how does it harm or

    effect me the slightest?How does this give me or anyone

    the right to damn someone else's "lov"..

    In reality there are skeptics of many backgrounds

    and faith it's important to remember since theirs no

    mandate for being a skeptic,it's most likely a Christian

    is a skeptic too.

    PS if you didn't make the comment,"nihilism is not atheism"

    than I apologies,my point was to correct a mistake nothing more

    Take care M.Dmon

  38. I accomplished a far-sighted venue for insight,out of respect

    to where I am posting

    Obviously this is a skeptic board,and my research is broad,

    instead of posting scriptures to make my point,I instead posted objectionable view,that some like yourself might appreciate,

    yet still got my point a-cross..Get it..

  39. "In reality there are skeptics of many backgrounds

    and faith it’s important to remember since theirs no

    mandate for being a skeptic,it’s most likely a Christian

    is a skeptic too."

    What does that have to do with anything? We don't "protect" each others views, we strive for a better sense of reality. Not to gaurd a comforting belief.

    Your research is into Ghosts and Psychic powers. And as we have asked, you can provide no information to support those "researches."

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